[Саха Википедия] Sakha Wikipedia creation
Вот какая любопытная дискуссия развернулась на сайте Мета-Вики (сайт Фонда Викимедиа,
где обсуждаются дела фонда):
Sakha Wikipedia creation
По моей просьбе Ярослав Блантер написал:
Just to make it sure, what is the current status of Sakha wikipedia? Being approved
by the Language subcommittee and awaiting the decision by the Council? Or approved
by the council and awaiting technical support to create a wiki? People are getting
a bit nervous. Sorry for taking this up again. Thanks.--Yaroslav Blanter 07:44,
8 February 2008 (UTC)
После долгого перерыва повторный запрос сделал Иоханнес Рор (Катерина должна
помнить его по скептическим высказываниям в отношении Саха Вики, позже Иоханнес
стал более лояльным, если не сказать больше): The status page marks all requirements
for final approval as met. I would feel that this one-and-a-half year old proposal
should be approved ASAP. --Johannes Rohr 13:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
И вот, наконец один из администраторов ответил следующее: Be`rto 'd Se`ra is
contacting a third party to verify the test project content; if at all possible,
I will try to include it in this batch. If you know a person (such as a verifiably
accredited professor) we can contact, that would help. If it is not included
in the upcoming batch, it will definitely be in the next one. --{admin} Pathoschild
21:27:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Недоумение Рора: What do you mean by "verifying"? Is this yet another unannounced
policy change? Somewhere in the archive I read a note by Be`rto accusing the
Sakha Wikipedians of conning by mixing Sakha with Russian in their articles.
I went through the articles myself and I found that the percentage of non-Sakha
in the test project was actually much lower than alleged by Shanel who spoke
of 50% or more, see Talk:Language subcommittee/2007#Wikipedia Sakha. I fail to
see why additional verification is necessary. While there are many wikipedias
and test projects, where many if not most authors are far from fluent in the
target language, this is certainly not the case for the Sakha test project. Therefore
I have difficulties understanding the need for this increased strictness. Please
explain. --Johannes Rohr 22:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Ответ Ярослава: 50% is definitely nonsense. There are about a dozen articles
on Sakha topics (out of several hundreds) which were originally posted in Russian,
but then Halan Tul put on each one a template "Translation needed", and some
of them have actually been translated. I do not think there are more than ten
articles now which are more than 50% in Russian. Possibly, there are none. If
such verification is needed, just aks for any Russian speaker. I am a native
Russian speaker and I clearly can tell what is Russian and what is Sakha. Besides,
they have more than five editors who are native Sakha speakers. --Yaroslav Blanter
22:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Btw if Be`rto 'd Se`ra indeed speaks Russian at ru-3 level, he/she
can do such verification him/herself. The Sakha text would just look like nonsense.--Yaroslav
Blanter 22:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Резюме администратора: There are certain minimum requirements that all requests
must meet before approval, but that does not preclude any subcommittee member
from requesting more detailed investigation if there are any related issues to
be clarified. In this case, a test project is not successful if it is partially
in the wrong language or of low quality. Note that I'm not commenting on the
quality of this test project, having not looked into it myself, but only explaining
Be`rto 'd Se`ra's concerns (similarly, Shanel was only quoting another member
in the discussion you linked to).
If the project is actually of reasonable quality, as you
suggest, then it should have no problems passing the requested verification.
If you have any further concerns about verification of the Sakha Wikipedia test
project, please address them to User talk:Be`rto 'd Se`ra. --{admin} Pathoschild
22:54:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Обсуждение идет тут (там же интерактивные ссылки на Берто д-Сера): http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Language_subcommittee&diff=0&oldid=883454#Sakha_Wikipedia_creation
Прошу взглянуть, если владеете хорошим английским выскажите свое мнение (максимально
корректно), а еще лучше подкрепленные ссылками и цифрами аргументы.
После того, как год назад прозвучали обвинения в том, что Саха Википедия часть
своих статей пишет на русском языке, доверия к нам меньше))).
Одновременно мы понимаем, что никто целенаправленную борьбу с нами не ведет.
Имейте в виду, что любые чиновники (и даже общественные) обязаны реагировать
на сигнал))))
--
С искренним уважением,
halan
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Дорооболорун!
Халан хайдах кинилэри кытта кэпсэтэ5иний, нууччалыы дуу, английскайдыы дуу? =)
Мин тылы билиибиттэн кердехпунэ, биhиги викибыт толору сахалыы буоларын туоhутун
кердууллэр.
Биhи еттубутун Ярослав кемускээбит. Санаалара биhи диэки буолан эрэр =)
Улэни туох да буолбутун иhин сал5ыы туруохха, кинилэр хайдах туоhулуулларын билиэххэ
уонна кемелеhуеххэ, туох баар саарба5алааhыннарын суох оноруохха. Оччо5о мин
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